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  • I hope this character dies or goes away to never come back she is a villian on the show since she wants Nathan dead. This crazy chick Jordan character needs to go and soon too! I hope she does!

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    • Well, Jordan isn't exactly a villain. Yes, she wants Nathan dead but so does half the town. Nathan is the reason that the Troubles are still active. Now he's going a little overboard in punishing himself, but he's absolutely right, 21 people have died of the Trouble since the Meteor Storm (to say nothing of people who died because of the Meteor Storm) and they wouldn't have if Nathan hadn't shot Howard.

      Now I don't think that revenge will get the Guard or Jordan very far, but I understand why they want him dead.

      Personally, I like Jordan. She's the only way to say certain things that desperately needed to be said. No one else has challenged how way too many people are putting Audrey ahead of the town and the Troubles because they're in love with her. And no one else has ever wondered whether or not Audrey's to blame for the Troubles. Now, I think she's jumping to a lot of conclusions by jumping onto the kill Lexie bandwagon but she's desperate at this point so I get. But seriously, it was about time someone said that. I can't believe they've been pouring over this stuff for months (and Dave and Vince have been pouring over this stuff for years) and somehow this has never occurred to them? It's about time!

      Jordan's an interesting character and a great foil for Nathan. They've both become almost suicidal (and they both want sacrificial deaths) in the recent months, but everything else they handle differently. Nathan's responded to his Trouble by turning inward and overly fixating on Audrey and true love. And Jordan's responded to her Trouble by becoming overly empathetic to everyone else's pain and focusing on revenge.

      So Jordan's a little hopped up on revenge and she needs therapy like no one's business. Most of the town needs therapy. And a lot of people have either homicidal or suicidal (or, like Jordan both!) instincts. Well, what do you expect? They're been living with Troubles on steroids and no hope and that tends to make people crazy. I'm not entirely sure why you blame only Jordan for this. The Guard wants Nathan dead. Vince agreed to let them kill him. And not just the Guard, most of Haven is pissed as hell at him. Why do you only have a problem with Jordan?

      I really hope they don't kill off Jordan. Haven has a real gender imbalance and increasingly it's been failing Bedchel (or only passing by virtue of a line) a lot, and getting rid of Jordan would make that worse. Plus, there's no one else around who's willing to challenge Vince. She not only challenges him, but she has the backing of a lot of the Guard (a big change since Thanks for the Memories). Plus we never really got to see much interaction between her and Audrey and I'd really love to see that. Especially because she doesn't know that Audrey is immune to the Troubles. I'd love to see a physical confrontation between them where Jordan all of a sudden realized that Audrey was immune. That would be great!

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    • I know that right now Jordan bugs the hell out of me.  But then Nathan did and does too at time.  They both get so blinded by one emotion.  However, you hit a good point.  With a trouble, it might be easy to miss certain points when you are dealing with a trouble daily.

      Having said that, I do hope that there is some resolution for Jordan that doesn't involve killing her.  She is a very strong character and does care for the troubled.  She might be misguided but I think she could help.  I am just afraid they are not going to allow it.

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    • I find flaw in blaming Nathan, or expecting Audrey to have to follow a certain destiny just so people can relieve themselves of their trouble and feel 'normal' (and I think this whole 'scrafice one for the many' outlook will be addressed at some point).

      I'm not saying what he did wasn't reckless and near sighted; but I don't trust Agent Howard's word at all.

      There is no telling that the meteror shower wouldn't have still hit Haven reguardless of Audrey going into the barn, also from what I gathered everyone expected their troubles to just 'suddenly' go away, but from what I had gathered in previous times they had sort of fadded away, just like they slowly appeared.


      With that said onto Jordan (by the way, what is up with all the female J names?)

      She is bitter and jaded; used and broken.  (Think X-Men's Rogue on one of her 'crazy' kicks, like in X-Men Evolution)

      She thought she had a connection in Nathan, then found out that for all she had played him, he had played her and while she had fallen for him in the end, he didn't return the feeling.

      Jealous of Audrey because she can negate Nathan's Trouble, where she can't.

      Jealous of Nathan because he has somebody who can relieve his Trouble, where he is the only one she can touch with out consequence.

      Angry that she is second best.

      Felling used by the Guard, and wanting and end to it all.

      I guess the saying 'Misery loves company.' is true, and evidently it gets vindictive when that company walks out and says 'I have a dinner date.'

      I get the feeling she is soli responsible for making the whole of the Guard believe that all that has transpired is Nathan's fault, and leading them into the witch hunt for his head (heart?).

      We all know what she plans on doing with Wade Crocker.  However I wonder how much of Jordan's plans are her own.  I'm wondering if we don't find that there is somebody higher ranked in the Guard other than Vince that has their own agenda.  (And what ever happened to the guy they broke out of jail?  The one who didn't really have cancer, but did really start fires)

      I also can't let go of the way she thought about using her Trouble on Vince, but clearly gave it a second thought; what is his trouble that it would cause everyone in the Guard to follow him, and someone like Jordan to second guess herself?

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    • TXJ1123 wrote: I find flaw in blaming Nathan, or expecting Audrey to have to follow a certain destiny just so people can relieve themselves of their trouble and feel 'normal' (and I think this whole 'scrafice one for the many' outlook will be addressed at some point).

      I'm not saying what he did wasn't reckless and near sighted; but I don't trust Agent Howard's word at all.

      Oh, so do I. The only people who's word we have on this is Arla, James and Howard. Talk about unreliable narrators! James, less so, but the Barn could have played with his memories and we know Arla lied to him. Also, it just doesn't add up. James was killed in May of 1983. But then Lucy ran away from Haven and thought she could still avoid being put in the Barn. Thought she could still end the Troubles for good. Clearly, whatever her plan was, it didn't involve killing James. Aside from the fact that he's her son, he was already dead!

      There is no telling that the meteror shower wouldn't have still hit Haven reguardless of Audrey going into the barn, also from what I gathered everyone expected their troubles to just 'suddenly' go away, but from what I had gathered in previous times they had sort of fadded away, just like they slowly appeared.

      Wait, what? Every single time before, the Hunter passed safely overhead, no meteors hit. Howard specifically told Audrey that the meteors were falling as incentive to push her into the Barn and would stop once she entered the Barn and left. He may be an unreliable narrator, but I believe him here. Part of this is my favouring my theory about The Barn punishing Audrey after what she did as Lucy but also, it's pretty simple. The meteors never hit before. Either it's a complete coincidence or no it's not because there are no coincidences. Plus, it would have been too risky for Howard to use something that he didn't have control over as a threat.

      What makes you think the Troubles faded away? I never got that sense, not at all.

      Jealous of Audrey because she can negate Nathan's Trouble, where she can't.

      No, she's not. Wait, hand on, now I'm confused. Jordan clearly had no clue that Lexie was immune to the Troubles in this episode, because in the woods, she was going to use her Trouble on Lexie. I thought that could be explained away by Jordan never having caught on about her immunity. But back in Burned, Jordan clearly knew about Audrey's immunity to the Troubles. What gives? Hmm, looks like I'm going back to The New Girl article to edit that note. Anyway, back to what you were saying, is Jordan explicitly aware of the fact that Nathan can feel Audrey? She could be aware of Audrey's immunity but never have clicked, there's a real difference between Troubles that actively affect other people and those that are more passive like Nathan's is.

      Angry that she is second best.

      Second best? To whom?

      Felling used by the Guard, and wanting and end to it all.
      I don't think she feels used by the Guard at all! Where'd you get that? Being a part of The Guard is a part of her identity at a very core level and she seems to treat them like a substitute family. Besides, she's taken a lot of power and control on in the last six months, which doesn't at all jive with this. She's not feeling used by the Guard and she doesn't want out of her substitute family, she just wants Vince out.
      I get the feeling she is soli responsible for making the whole of the Guard believe that all that has transpired is Nathan's fault, and leading them into the witch hunt for his head (heart?).

      What? Where did you get that from? Actually, that's least likely. Remember, that Jordan was out of commission for a while, having been shot and being in surgery and everything. No one is really responsible for this. I mean, he comes back into town, and meteors are still falling and people want to know what the hell happened! And he told them the truth. He kinda had to, especially given that Duke disappeared. Nathan was the one who went back and told Vince and everyone what happened. He told them that he shot Howard and that the Barn (with Audrey, Duke and James inside and Arla sucked up into it) was destroyed. Nathan blames himself (as he should) and the Guard blames him (as they should). The people who aren't Troubled and don't know what happened just know that their police chief ran away from town with no explanation when they desperately needed city resources and leadership because the town had just been trampled by a Meteor Storm. A lot of people blame him for a lot of reasons and I don't see how Jordan could possibly be the cause of that.


      We all know what she plans on doing with Wade Crocker.  However I wonder how much of Jordan's plans are her own.  I'm wondering if we don't find that there is somebody higher ranked in the Guard other than Vince that has their own agenda.  (And what ever happened to the guy they broke out of jail?  The one who didn't really have cancer, but did really start fires)

      I also can't let go of the way she thought about using her Trouble on Vince, but clearly gave it a second thought; what is his trouble that it would cause everyone in the Guard to follow him, and someone like Jordan to second guess herself?

      Hmm, I want to know about Vince's Trouble too, although I doubt that it's what caused her to not use her Trouble on him. It was clearly a threat and only a threat--Jordan hates using her Trouble and doesn't use it except when absolutely necessary. But she is willing to if necessary and so it makes a fabulous threat. I dont think that Vince causes Jordan to second guess herself, I haven't seen her doing much of that at all.

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    • Okay, I had to check this out...but on Burned in Season 3. Ginger makes Jordan tell Nathan, Audrey, and Duke the truth about why they wanted her.  And Nathan makes the statement that Audrey is immune to the troubles.  Jordan says but you aren't.  If we have you, Nathan, then we have Audrey.  That is how they were going to make Audrey go into the Barn.  So why do we believe that Jordan doesn't know that Audrey is immune to the troubles?

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    • No you're absolutely right. I'd forgotten about Burned, and so when Jordan made a move to use her Trouble on Lexie I assumed (and was quite surprised) that she didn't know about SarLuAudLex's immunity. But she does, she very much does. I'm not sure what happened there, but I changed the note to consider it a continuity goof. It's either a goof or Jordan was supposed to be so upset that she completely lost her head. Now she'd lost it somewhat, a gun beats her Trouble anyday, but that makes sense. She's almost suicidal at this point and might be banking on this new girl not actually being willing to pull the trigger. But I find it hard to believe that she's so upset that she completely forgot about the immunity. I mean, you can create a Watsonian explanation for it but it strains the credulity a fair amount.

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    • You can't discredit what Claire said about Jordan torturing the guy who activated her Trouble. 

      She has a cruel streak, and it comes out when she is overwhelmed emotionally. 

      I still think she feels used by the guard and is trying to gain control simply to become the one pulling the strings.

      I guess only time will tell, and a lot of it will come down to what she does to/with Wade.


      As for her attacking Lexie, I'm thinking in the moment Jordan had forgotten that Lexie is immune.  Audrey/Lexie has been in the barn for almost 7 months at this point, add that to the heat of the situation and well, maybe it would have been funny if she had tried it.  I can imagine Lexie would have had a colorful response. 

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    • Oh, I'm not discounting that at all. But I don't see how the fact that she tortures a man who raped her and triggered her Trouble says that she is feeling used by The Guard. There's literally nothing to indicate that anywhere. In the little we've seen of her interactions with the guard, she is in charge and running the show. No one attempts to use her or even really give her an order. When she finds out that Vince is the head of the Guard she really doesn't take his leadership seriously and disobeys the first order that he gives her. He's the only person that she's ever had an issue with, we haven't seen her have an issue with the rest of the Guard. And I wouldn't say that Vince is using her. He can't. He'd like obedience from her as is his due as the leader of the guard, but there's no way that he's going to get it. And using her? Ha, he's not even going to try.

      I don't know about that. I can see Jordan bullheadedly going forward ignoring the gun, thinking that it would be worth it or that she wouldn't shoot or being reckless. But forgetting she's immune? I don't know. She's actually not that out-of-control in the scene. She hasn't lost her head, just her hope.

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    • I feel bad a little bit that Jordan had to die like that but she did walk into it making her own mess of things when she tried to take matters into her own hands with dealing with the troubles. Since she told Wade about his "special gift" and she pretty much created a monster and marked her own demise since Wade didn't know how to handle things etc. 

      But I was never a fan of that girl since she annoyed the heck out of me with being so bossy and demanding. I do understand she wants to be free and normal etc, but maybe this is a blessing for her int he end she gets to be at peace now. Too bad she had to die like she had by the hands of Wade. But she did knock on the devils door and well he opened it inviting her to come on in basically. 

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    • 68.0.140.128 wrote:
      I hope this character dies or goes away to never come back she is a villian on the show since she wants Nathan dead. This crazy chick Jordan character needs to go and soon too! I hope she does!


      OH! And I forgot to add this ----> You got your wish lol she died

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    • You disliked her because she was bossy and demanding? She was high-up in a large and deadly organisation--if she didn't order people around she wouldn't be able to do her job. And demanding? And demanding? What?

      And yes, Jordan was acting suicidal. But so is everyone else at this point, so that's not really a mark against her. Check out the suicide section of Tropes/Death--being suicidal is nothing new.

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    • I know that Jordan irritated a lot of people.  When they first introduced her to the show, I wasn't sure if I liked her or not.  But she sort of grew on me.  And I have to say, Nathan did use her.  I remember thinking at the time, if he had seen Duke doing something like that to Jordan, he would have called him out on it.  So at the time, it was an interesting twist to see Nathan using a woman to get information.  He did tell her later that he cared about her but we all know, he was doing this for Audrey.

      I think that Jordan had some legitimate issues.  I also started to think what would it be like to never touch another human being.  Babies who are not held enough suffer terribly and don't develop as well as babies that are nurtured.  (I know, I think too much).  But perhaps not...think about it...NEVER touching or being touched.  That is some kind of isolation.

      When the troubles didn't go away, I think the whole town went off the deep end.  And who can blame them.  It would be like living in a nightmare, but you can never wake up. 

      Finally, I want them to recover Jordan's body.  To just leave her dumped as trash, tied for a blood rush for Wade is just awful.  I know she triggered him, but I don't think anyone deserves that.  So at the end, I feel sorry for Jordan because at the end, she realized that she had over-reacted.  She was leaving Haven.  She deserved a better ending then being dumped in the ocean.

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    • Everyone is allowed their thoughts and  opinions just like everyone else who comments on here even if its something people do or don't like. Some things people won't agree with but no need to have a fit over it just because you dont like what someone writes. 

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    • Yes, I do hope they recover her body. No woman on the show has had a funeral or a memorial or anything and it's getting to be a little icky. Especially given how Jordan died. And that Duke has known where her body is and hasn't told anyone. That's really, really, really not okay.

      The one thing that really bugged me about Jordan was that she was so overly empathetic. I get why, it's how she processed her Trouble. She tuned into the hurting others aspect and became insanely empathetic. Like Nathan she shut off personally but wasn't able to do it as completely, largely because she could still feel. But unlike Nathan she was really aware of how she affected others and so she became overly open and understanding.

      So I understand why she's like this, it makes total sense. That said, it's a lot harder to empathise with someone who's leading a fight when they are insanely aware of how they hurt others--it makes you as the viewer aware of this too and it's a lot harder to ignore. That is, think about it this way. Everyone on the show has done some pretty ugly stuff. Audrey's killed people and worse, she's talked them into killing themselves. So has Nathan, and Nathan of course, used Jordan in a pretty crazy way. But because when they do these things, they are focused on and empathising with the person they have to save, not the person they have to hurt, it's easier to think of their crimes as justified. They focus on the person they are trying to save and therefore you do to. But with Jordan, she focuses on the person she has to hurt, and so your focus goes there as well. It's a bit of a mental fuck. I'm aware that her actions makes sense and are generally strongly justified. I'm even been a fan of what she does. But it's very hard to be a fan of her, because whenever you watch her, you feel like you're watching a puppy being kicked. It's painful.

      Also, Jordan's Trouble is a real power trip. She had her power taken away (raped) and so her Trouble kicked in to protect her. And it gives her some power. But she reacts to it in such a way that you almost feel as though she's powerless. And that's a tough thing to watch. We constantly see everyone be mad at her or be on the other end of a fight for her, but we don't really see her stick up for herself, because she's too busy being aware of who she's hurting. So it's definitely not easy to like her or to be a fan of her. She's on the peripheral of the story and somehow all of the time she is given focuses on how everyone but her feels. So yeah, it's really hard to be a fan because it's the opposite of the natural reaction to the storyteller's voice.

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    • 76.70.78.214 wrote:
      Everyone is allowed their thoughts and  opinions just like everyone else who comments on here even if its something people do or don't like. Some things people won't agree with but no need to have a fit over it just because you dont like what someone writes. 

      I am sorry if thought I was having a fit or something...I was just stating my side...I completely understand your side and if I offended I am sorry. 

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    • I don't understand why people hate Jordan. I like her more than Nathan by a foot ball field. I also don't think people take into account the trauma that is caused by rape: it often leads to horrible nightmares, thoughts of suicide, loss of confidence, and feeling extremely violated. She's not going to be perfect in terms of mental health and I can't blame her for not trusting people and taking revenge on the guy who did it to her. What I really didn't like is that everyone seemed to depise her even though she needed help and seemed to think that her rapist didn't deserve what she did to him and hated her due to that one incident. It was very sad to see that mentality. I also dislike Nathan for using her and thus decreasing her faith in humanity. Her Trouble would also make her extremely suspectible to further alienation.

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    • She never cared that Nathan used her. She used people like wet napkins at a steak restaurant. She cared that in her eyes he lied about loving her, and he didn't. He did love her. Nathan is incapable of keeping up a facade, it's one of the main points of the entire storyline. He also can not stand people lying to him, the only person he keeps close who lies to him is Duke. In many ways, Duke and Nathan are the opposite side of the same coin. Thus Audrey loving them both. Jordan however lied to Nathan and only told the truth when she was forced to by Ginger. She lost him that day and he still kept her alive and well afterwards. 

      As far as her needing help. I understand that she had a problem and a traumatic issue, however causing others pain and hating everyone is not a healthy way of dealing with trauma. Unfortunately this show did a bad job of being feminist and in that regard most female characters were not recurring or died tragic deaths very frequently. Jordan, however, made her own bed. She chose her allies. She chose her friends. She chose to lie to the man she loved and sided with the guard over him. And she hated herself for it. But she also had to live with it. 

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    • i have to agree with singingearth

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